please email me if your bottles leaked I got new ones finally

Topic created by poppersx
on Thu, 4 May 2023 at 10:09

poppersx said on Thu, 4 May 2023 at 10:09...

with the right insert for the cap to make it liquid tight, over time a good deal of the bottles I sent out leaked. This problem should be resolved now, if you placed an order and bottles arrived empty please let me know so I can get a replacement sent out! I have located where to get the same bottles everyother vendor uses finally but don't have the 250$ for them at the moment, that and sales have slowed considerably (probably due to the leaking bottles...)

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KB said on Thu, 4 May 2023 at 16:38...

Hey
I placed an order (#210) over 2-1/2 weeks ago and have yet to receive.
Also sent you a few emails and received no response.
Whats up???....

poppersx said on Fri, 5 May 2023 at 07:40...

order 210 looks like was canceled? but order 218 is from you also and that one has been shipped out, usps tracking number 9400136106025758946866 says it will be delivered today :-)

poppersx said on Fri, 5 May 2023 at 07:44...

please let me know if you get it and what you think of it! I have just one order left to fulfill but might wait another day, because doing a whole synth for two bottles seems like a waste of a night but if no new orders come in i'll have that last one out by tomorrow morning. thank you for your patience and understanding! been a ton of hiccups but finally looks like its starting to come together, hopefully i havent scared everyone away with the bottle leaks and payment providers canceling me in the middle of it all (paypal and amazon pay im looking at you...)

KB said on Fri, 5 May 2023 at 12:37...

OK great. I was starting to think I got scammed.
I will gladly let you know when I get & my review.
Thanks.

Dr. Wang said on Sat, 6 May 2023 at 04:58...

How do the various retail brands stack up against pure amyl nitrite? I've made a few small batches using 1-pentanol. The only experience I have with commercial poppers is once when I was about 20. I sniffed a little from the bottle and my head felt tight and everything started to go black, so I got scared and never touched it again. It reminded my of huffing solvent as a teen, only more intense.
Anyway, my amyl is pretty decent, though its potency tapers off within a couple weeks, despite meticulous drying, storing with molecular sieves, sodium bicarbonate, salt, etc.. It's nothing compared to what I remember of that first bottle. Anyone else have any comparisons to make?

Carl said on Sun, 7 May 2023 at 05:20...

@Dr. Wang: If you enjoy using Amyl Nitrite as a pro-sexual drug and have the knowledge and required equipment to make pure Amyl Nitrite, then you are in a very fortunate position.
In my opinion, none of the commercially available (Over the Counter) popper products can compare with pure Amyl Nitrite, unless the user prefers to use Butyl Nitrite for a more immediate and harder hit.
If you live in the US and would be willing to sell small amounts of your Amyl Nitrite product, please let us know.

poppersx said on Sun, 7 May 2023 at 06:29...

Dr. Wang : the retail ones I have used have always been so much weaker than the amly I make. I am going to experiment with purifying the alch past the 91% it comes as, and I'm going to use dry ice and do the synthesis as cold as I can. Have you tried either of these methods ? If so what kind of results did you get? If there is a way to increase the shelf life then I would like to find it. Will be doing it tomorrow night as long as the new good bottles arrive.

Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 7 May 2023 at 17:14...

You absolutely need the purest alcohol you can get or make. It can't be full of acids, aldehydes, ketones and oxidation products.

Nitritespecialist said on Sun, 7 May 2023 at 17:16...

And you can't trust a 99% pure label if the product has been sitting on a shelf for a year or longer...or has been poured into a different container without a layer of nitrogen gas..and then stored on a shelf by second hand dealer.

The Professor said on Sun, 7 May 2023 at 19:30...

psx,
One of our members started using dry ice a year or so ago, with very nice results.; he reports great strength and smoothness.

The activation energy is extremely small, the reaction is exothermic and reversible. These types of reactions, at 1 atmosphere, will typically go to about 60% completion (a 100% conversion requires about 300% excess reactant).

at 0 C the reaction will go to about 80% completion (about 95% with a slight molar excess of acid and powder)

at -12C the yield phase starts top freeze over; filtering the slush will remove butyric acid (a major contaminant in batch phase preps) and the prep will go to at least 99% completion with a slight molar excess of powder and acid.

the reaction control guidance for theses types of reactions is to undergo the prep as cold as is possible; dry ice will get MUCH colder than -12C, maybe too cold (i haven't tried it personally, but as I mentioned one of our makers vouches for it without reservation).

take the time to filter out the fraction of the yield that wants to freeze over, and you will greatly reduce the decomposition speed of the yield.

good luck with your explorations!

canuck sb said on Mon, 8 May 2023 at 03:46...

still looking for a hobbiest chemist in canada could anyone steer me in that particular direction looking to start diy but having trouble sourcing whats needed tired of otc bs

Dr. Wang said on Mon, 8 May 2023 at 06:48...

Wow, fascinating, there are some kinetics of this reaction I was unaware of (I'm strictly an amateur). Definitely going to try dry ice. Butyric acid, that makes sense. From batch to batch I get a sort of rancid acidic smell. I've never smelled butyric directly, but I'm aware it's a vomit smell. I always thought it was from inadequately neutralizing any remaining acid, though with a bicarbonate wash, it's unlikely.
Thank you The Professor, Nitritespecialist, and poppersx.
I got my 1-propanol from hydrolysis of amyl acetate from Alliance Chemical. No CAS was provided, just a BP of 149°C. After hydrolysis it boiled at 138°C, so I'm pretty sure I'm producing what one would properly call amyl nitrite. I've also made nitrites from 3-methylbutyl, N-Butanol, and isopropanol once out of curiosity, and I prefer the smell and strength of the amyl. Sometimes when I pour it into a sep funnel I can see the vapors rolling off, and I know it's going to be a good batch.
canuck sb, I don't know what your level of experience is, but if you're up to the task, you can do what I did and start with an acetate, that should be pretty easy to get ahold of.
Carl, I'd be willing to give you a sample just to get your opinion. I've been wanting to get some input, but have been wondering how to go about it short of hauling my chemistry set into a local bath house, though I'm sure that would make me very popular. You can email me at gtp5113tssxar at gmail.
Thanks again to everyone for taking the time to share, I greatly appreciate it!

Nitritespecialist said on Tue, 9 May 2023 at 16:23...

@Dr Wang....I agree 100% with preferring the smell and effects of n-amyl nitrite over the other common types. I've been preaching that for years.

I also believe that Joe Miller was making n-amyl nitrite during the time I was buying his product....several years before his untimely death because his poppers had very very similar odors and effects of n-amyl nitrite. They were like your best friend when hitting the bath houses. Warm, inviting, relaxing, immersive....nothing toxic, weird, strange odor or unpleasant.

I just made more n-amyl nitrite and the purity of the alcohol makes all the difference. I altered my one pentanol and I'm getting a wonderful product whereas before I altered my bottle of pentanol, I was getting weird effects and odors and then weakness with no ass relax. Now I'm getting great odors and effects.

Temps and ratios are NOT nearly as important as the purity of the alcohol.

Nitritespecialist said on Wed, 10 May 2023 at 17:56...

I have one question about ratios.....one brew where I used excess SN/acid, and ended up with a green yield and medium blue water, was a stellar brew.

I will continue to explore whether using excess SN/acid will saturate the alcohol more and yield a more potent popper.

Everything is different now that I'm rectifying my alcohol.

poppersx said on Wed, 17 May 2023 at 20:41...

I got the 4A molecular sieves today and will start putting them in every bottle, and will be making my own dry ice next batch, going to setup my vac distillation apparatus as soon as I get the electric vac pump and cold trap and start purifying the store bought 91% iso into as pure as i can get it. I have a manual pump but I really dont want to sit there all day and squesse that thing every couple of minutes lol did that once making alch to drink from oranges...

i would like to get a jacketed beaker for the reaction vessel but they are kinda spendy and i doupt they would work much better than just a beaker in a larger jar of dry ice anyways. ive been mixing the alch and acid together and then adding the soild component to it slowly, i always get a visible orange pume of gas coming off of it. also got thermal printer and started putting labels on every bottle so its clear when they were manufactured

Kip said on Wed, 17 May 2023 at 20:49...

poppersx:

Are you producing amyl or isopropyl nitrite?

poppersx said on Thu, 18 May 2023 at 03:10...

amyl nitrite

ditto said on Thu, 18 May 2023 at 09:55...

hello! I emailed you on ur website about a small sample. I use the same registered username. Thank you!

AmylPug said on Mon, 22 May 2023 at 19:57...

Where are you guys buying your poppers? First, let me quote Dr. Wang:

"@Dr. Wang: If you enjoy using Amyl Nitrite as a pro-sexual drug and have the knowledge and required equipment to make pure Amyl Nitrite, then you are in a very fortunate position.
In my opinion, none of the commercially available (Over the Counter) popper products can compare with pure Amyl Nitrite, unless the user prefers to use Butyl Nitrite for a more immediate and harder hit.
If you live in the US and would be willing to sell small amounts of your Amyl Nitrite product, please let us know."

Because if you import directly, good luck. And a place that sells "Made in the US"? Fuuuggettabboutit.
Like solventsbymail.com only sell the junk, like isobutyl and other crap.

The only place I know of in the US imports the products themselves and ships from the US is buyrushonline.com, they have real Amyl and real pentyl, as well as non-imports. The customer service cannot be beat, just ask for Red and he will make sure you are satisfied. Of course it costs a little more, but you will get the real stuff and have choice of Priority Mail or USPS First Class. You'll have a number to call and guaranteed top-notch service. Just ask Red, tell him DT sent you!
(I do not work for or am I affiliated with BRO)

AmylPug said on Mon, 22 May 2023 at 19:58...

Hey poppersx, where is your website??

AmylPug said on Mon, 22 May 2023 at 20:02...

poppersx,

You're in Nanuet? I'm from Tappan, originally. Forty years. I am now in SC but miss NY a lot. Please shout back, thanks.

poppersx said on Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 09:55...

Im in Louisiana

poppersx.com

KB said on Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 20:58...

So I got my order the day you said I would thanks.
However, 1 bottle was 1/2 full..
Also, it really messed my nose up.

poppersx said on Sun, 4 Jun 2023 at 01:42...

should'nt have been 1/2 full... I'm starting to think the warm weather is affecting the product. Will have the little white pellets that are in many formulations on Wednesday, and should finish the chiller by then also

will resend another one in about a week...

Dr. Wang said on Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 22:52...

Nitritespecialist- I'm thinking you are right about the alcohol. I'm using a liter I distilled a year ago, and I'm not getting anything like the first couple batches I made, but OTOH, that was my first experience with nitrites, so my memory may be suffering some bias. I should clean up and distill my pentanol, but Elsevier's "Purification of Laboratory Reagents" only mentions esterifying and recrystallizing the ester, which is more than I want to do. The rest only pertains to drying it. The pale blue/green is the nitrous acid being generated in-situ, and is something you should always observe in a good, cold reaction. As The Professor mentioned above, a slight excess produces a better product. I usually use about a 5-10% excess. Here's a calculator for the stoichiometry of the reaction using Nitrous Acid and 1-Pentanol https://www.webqc.org/balance.php?reaction=C5H12O%2BHNO2%3DC5H11ONO%2BH2O 1-butanol https://www.webqc.org/balance.php?reaction=C4H10O%2BHNO2%3DC4H9NO2%2BH2O and 3-methyl-1-butanol https://www.webqc.org/balance.php?reaction=C5H12O%2BHNO2%3DC5H11NO2%2BH2O and here's the calculator for making the Nitrous Acid from Sodium Nitrite and HCL https://www.webqc.org/balance.php?reaction=HCl%2BNaNO2%3DHNO2%2BNaCl -I used H2SO44 once, but didn't care for the odor of the finished product, though I should try it again.
poppersx- I've routinely added sieves to my product, but recently tried both sodium bicarbonate and nothing, and the potency still seemed to diminish by 50% after 2 or 3 days (but sieves are important for removing the water from the crude product). The only thing which preserves the potency to a significant degree for me is storing it in and returning it to the refrigerator immediately after use. It keeps its initial potency for a few weeks this way. I've had it evaporate and diffuse through a rubber septum at a pretty good clip. It has a very high vapor pressure. I've never distilled the crude product, but if I did I'd definitely do a vacuum distillation. You can get a 1L jacketed reactor from AliExpress for $200, but you're right, you probably don't need it.
To the dry ice and what The Professor said, I've run the reaction in my freezer at -13C a few times, but can't really tell the difference in the end product between this and just using ice water. The blue nitrous acid persists much longer though, and will disappear on warming. I get brown dioxide too, but try to minimize it to avoid loss of yield. I mix the sodium nitrite into the pentanol, then add the acid slowly with an addition funnel (I don't add water as the water in the acid and what is produced in the reaction are enough to dissolve the salt). I only get a minimum of brown vapor, but the oxides only turn to brown dioxides when oxygen is present, so you can't really judge how much oxide you're getting visually.
In pursuit of a strong, stable product, more experimentation is in order, but this is complicated by the subjective nature of the effects, and lack of a focus group! Fortunately, you have customers to offer feedback, which I'm sure is a mixed bag.
Anyway, thanks again to those who left feedback. I assumed the thread was dead, but I checked out of curiosity and I'm glad I did. I will check back in again from time to time.

Dr. Wang said on Mon, 17 Feb 2025 at 22:47...

Greetings alchemists of the future.

I presented The Professor's assertions to ChatGPT.
This is what it said-
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there are a few points that should be scrutinized:

Reaction Yield & Temperature Effects

It is true that lower temperatures can improve reaction control and limit side reactions, particularly when working with volatile or unstable compounds like alkyl nitrites.
The claim that at 0°C the reaction goes to about 80% completion and improves further at -12°C could be plausible in terms of reducing unwanted byproducts, but the specifics would depend on solvent choice and reaction kinetics.
Freezing out byproducts (like butyric acid) by filtration is an interesting claim, but would depend on the specific impurities formed and their solubility characteristics at low temperatures.

Reversibility & Equilibrium

The statement that the reaction is reversible and goes to around 60% at 1 atmosphere suggests equilibrium limitations, which might be true for some nitrite reactions but isn't necessarily a fixed rule.
Pushing equilibrium further toward completion with excess reactants (such as nitrous acid or the alcohol) aligns with Le Chatelier's principle.

Dry Ice Cooling

The use of dry ice (-78°C) might indeed be "too cold," as extreme cold could slow down reaction rates excessively or freeze key reactants. However, in practical organic chemistry, very low temperatures are sometimes used to improve selectivity and purity.

Decomposition & Stability

The claim that filtering out a frozen fraction slows down decomposition speed is intriguing but not well-documented. If certain impurities accelerate degradation (e.g., acidic byproducts promoting hydrolysis or oxidation), removing them might improve stability.

Conclusion

The general principles (temperature control, reaction reversibility, and impurity removal) seem to have a scientific basis. However, the specific numerical claims and methodology would need experimental verification. If you're considering working with amyl nitrite or similar compounds, be aware that they are volatile, sensitive to light and air, and require careful handling.
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I've run the reaction in dry ice with 1-propanol and sodium nitrite in the reaction flask, adding *sulfuric* acid dropwise. The alcohol became a greasy gel. The salt turned dark blue. The reaction between the salt and the acid had proceeded, but the reaction between the nitrous acid and the alcohol didn't appear to occur until warmed. Slow, steady addition isn't really needed at this temperature, as the reaction only really seems to accelerate on warming. This had to be done in small increments to avoid runaway and brown fumes. The end product didn't seem to be of any different quality than when made in an ice bath. I made no attempt to filter out butyric acid or anything. In my experience, unpleasant odors only occur when using HCL. Using H2SO4 doesn't produce any.

Dr. Wang said on Mon, 17 Feb 2025 at 22:52...

Suggestions for solvents at these temperatures are;
DCM or Chloroform are likely the best because they allow phase separation while remaining liquid at very cold temperatures.
If a single-phase reaction is preferred, ethyl acetate or THF could work well.
If no solvent is used, working with excess alcohol and ensuring good stirring is key.

Dr. Wang said on Thu, 20 Feb 2025 at 02:18...

To the issue of precursor purity and product stability;

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commercial alcohols, even high-purity ones, often contain **residual water, aldehydes, and peroxides** due to storage, handling, or repackaging. These impurities can interfere with sensitive reactions, especially the preparation of **alkyl nitrites**, which require extremely pure alcohols to ensure stability and yield.

### **Why High Purity Matters for Alkyl Nitrites**
Alkyl nitrite synthesis typically involves reacting the alcohol with **nitrous acid (generated in situ from sodium nitrite and a strong acid, like HCl or H₂SO&#8324 ;-) **. Impurities in the alcohol can cause:
1. **Side Reactions & Decomposition**
- Water contamination leads to hydrolysis, producing unwanted byproducts.
- Aldehyde contamination can result in **uncontrolled oxidation** or **polymerization** in storage.
- Peroxides can cause degradation or instability of the final product.

2. **Lower Yields & Instability**
- Alkyl nitrites degrade faster in the presence of acids, water, or oxygen.
- Impure reactants can cause premature decomposition into nitrogen oxides or alcohol degradation.

### **How to Ensure the Highest Purity Alcohol for Alkyl Nitrite Synthesis**
If you're preparing alkyl nitrites, it's best to **purify the alcohol beyond commercial purity** using these steps:

#### **1. Fractional Distillation**
- Use a **Vigreux or packed column** for precise separation.
- **Discard fore-run and tail-end fractions** that contain water and other low- or high-boiling contaminants.
- **Only collect within a tight temperature range** (e.g., ±1°C of the alcohol’s known boiling point).
- Use an **inert atmosphere (e.g., nitrogen or argon)** to prevent oxidation during distillation.

#### **2. Chemical Drying (Water Removal)**
- Even after distillation, **traces of water** can remain. Remove them using:
- **Anhydrous sodium sulfate (Na₂SO&#8324 ;-) ** – good for mild drying.
- **Calcium chloride (CaCl&#8322 ;-) ** – stronger but can react with some alcohols.
- **Molecular sieves (3Å or 4Å)** – best for absolute dryness.

#### **3. Removal of Aldehydes & Peroxides**
- **Aldehyde Removal**
- Pass the alcohol through a **bisulfite wash** (sodium bisulfite solution) to bind aldehydes.
- Or reflux with **activated carbon** before distillation.

- **Peroxide Removal**
- **Iron (II) sulfate** can decompose peroxides safely.
- **Distillation under vacuum or inert gas** minimizes new peroxide formation.

#### **4. Storage for Maximum Stability**
- **Use amber glass bottles** to prevent light degradation.
- **Store in a cool, oxygen-free environment** (e.g., under nitrogen or argon).
- **Keep away from acids** to prevent unwanted nitrite decomposition.

By taking these extra purification steps, you can ensure that your alcohol is **stable, anhydrous, and free of reactive impurities**, making it ideal for alkyl nitrite synthesis.

Dr. Wang said on Thu, 20 Feb 2025 at 02:21...

Acid selection and reaction side-products/odors such as butyric acid
I've noticed a much cleaner product using sulfuric acid. There doesn't even seem to be a need to wash with bicarbonate to avoid unpleasant odors or burning sensation.

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That makes sense—when using **HCl instead of H₂SO₄** in alkyl nitrite synthesis, you're likely getting more side products like **butyric acid (or related oxidation byproducts)** due to differences in reaction conditions and acid behavior. Here’s why:

### **Why HCl Might Lead to More Side Products**
1. **Increased Water Content**
- **HCl is often aqueous**, meaning it introduces more water into the reaction.
- More water can hydrolyze intermediates and promote oxidation of the alcohol into **butyraldehyde and butyric acid** (if you're working with **butanol**).

2. **Stronger Nucleophilic Character of Cl⁻**
- Chloride ions can interact with reaction intermediates, possibly forming **alkyl chlorides** or promoting rearrangements.
- Some of these could degrade into **acids, esters, or other unwanted products** over time.

3. **Different Reaction Dynamics**
- **H₂SO₄ is a stronger acid and a better dehydrating agent**, driving the reaction forward while limiting side reactions.
- **HCl’s higher water content** slows nitrous acid decomposition but also **allows oxidation by ambient oxygen**, leading to carboxylic acids.

### **How to Reduce Butyric Acid Formation**
1. **Use Anhydrous HCl**
- Instead of aqueous HCl, try bubbling **dry HCl gas** into the alcohol solution.
- This minimizes water-induced oxidation and hydrolysis.

2. **Switch to H₂SO₄ or a Mixed Acid System**
- A mix of **diluted H₂SO₄ and NaNO₂** may give better results than pure HCl.
- H₂SO₄ helps stabilize nitrous acid and keeps water content low.

3. **Limit Oxygen Exposure**
- Perform the reaction **under nitrogen or argon** to prevent oxidation.
- Minimize air exposure during both reaction and storage.

4. **Use a Rapid Quench Step**
- If butyric acid is forming post-reaction, **washing the product with a weak base** (like NaHCO&#8323 ;-) may help neutralize acidic byproducts.

Would you like a more optimized procedure for minimizing side products?

Dr. Wang said on Thu, 20 Feb 2025 at 02:30...

Sorry, the chem formulas appear garbled, most are referring to H2SO4, the rest are stated in English beforehand. They should be obvious.
Another benefit of sulfuric acid is minimizing water. I use enough to keep the salt a greasy slush. The product can then be easily separated by decantation, and the benefit is minimal side reactions with the water.

Popper guy said on Fri, 21 Mar 2025 at 07:53...

Why does isopropyl alcohol turn red when I filter it with ferric sulfate?